Should i download 8?? what would be the advantage??

priscilla


i-MAC newbie out of training

IE8 might have more websites to Xplore?

DavyWavy -

Read here for the new features in IE8.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/?ocid=ie8_s_94735d11-65d1-4bb8-bf6f-72d7b059a928

Shelly

priscilla


i-MAC newbie out of training

Do you have to remove IE7 first ??

You couldn't remove IE7 if you wanted to.

Shelly

I too, was able to remove IE7. This was on a new Lenovo laptop that came with XP Pro and IE7. Removed it because I didn't like it. After the removal IE6 was present. Not sure, but I think Shelly meant IE6 can't be removed.

Shelly was thinking that IE7 in Vista can't be removed -- which it can't.


It's a Vista world. It's easy to forget about XP. I have.

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Not true. you are able to roll back to IE6 because when you install a newer version of IE it can be reversed, at least until you remove the backup files that are created. IE is an integral part of Windows XP and some version of it must be present, even if some other browser is actually used.

IE7 can not be removed from Vista because it was the version of IE that came with Vista. IE6 was the version that originally came with XP.

Shelly

Removal may depend upon when Service Packs were installed in relation to IE7.

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Well you did take a step backwards by going from Vista to XP, so I don't see a reason for you to upgrade to IE8.

My take on it is: I know I will someday, so why not now?

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Installed on one computer so far without incident.

Will put it on at least one other, though probably not on 3 others more.
(Generally don't use IE, nor do the users of the other computers.)

Installed & seems to run fine.

FIND.
I like the FIND much better. Ctrl+F opens FIND. Wish it acted as a toggle though so it could also close it. (I don't recall IE7's FIND to be like this? <Shows how much I used IE7.>)

Tabs are colored.
I don't care for that. Messing a bit more, maybe it isn't so bad. If you open a series of links from a single site, they are all colored alike. (Color does not seem to related to the site itself.) But, if you drag a tab, repositioning it, the color changes ... Changes to the coloring for the series of links into which the tab was dragged. Why? Why not color all of the same domain alike or something like that - regardless of where they are relative to other tabs?

When I installed, I enabled two options that they offered; Accelerators (whatever that is) & something to do with searching or completion? (The MS web page help did not help me understand any better.)

Browser could certainly be laid out better to make more efficient use of the screen. Screen real-estate is horrendous, in particular on the Tabs bar. I can fit a whole 9 sites before it has to wrap .

SmartScreen Filter.
Now isn't that a dumb name to call something that seemingly is used to notify you of, or to check for, a potential "bad" (malware) site.

Developer Tools.
Now that looks interesting. I'd have to figure out what it's showing me. Unexpected to see anything like that, but I'm glad it's is there. Though I'm confused as to why it would be there by default. Can't imagine a "typical" user ever using it.

Compatibility View button.
First & second & third time I hit it, I didn't even realize it was then in "pressed" position. I can see it being hit inadvertently, confusing users.

Print Preview of http://www.msn.com/ comes up blank?
(Other pages do preview.)

Content Blocking.
There's a little button at the bottom of the browser for that. I'm clueless as to what it does.

Never liked the fact that opening a New Window duplicates the window that it was opened from.
Still happens.

The IE7 "menubar on top" hack still works.


(Perhaps there are some options for some of these settings, but I'm likely never to know?)


Well, it works. Is likely to be more secure. What's not to like. If you're going to use IE, go for it.

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The IE7 "menubar on top" hack still works.

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Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet
Explorer\Toolbar\WebBrowser]

"ITBar7Position"=dword:00000001

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Note the HKCU line is one line, though wrapped here.

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Hey, Rube...thanks for the breakdown...nice to have someone you trust
tell about it...I installed IE8 at 4AM this morning, no problems I
can see...but I haven't tried WMP yet...

Edit : Yep...WMP stole focus back from KM Player...damn!

DavyWavy -

What r u doing up at 4 am.......Xploring???????

priscilla


i-MAC newbie out of training

Just got Xcited and woke up...

DavyWavy -

Your sooooooooo cute

priscilla


i-MAC newbie out of training

DavyWavy -

Thanks for the info RUBE

priscilla


i-MAC newbie out of training

Installed in Vista Home without any problem. Will check the new features.

I find that interesting. It is listed as being for XP only, and I was wondering if they have a version for Vista yet to be released.

Shelly

Depends on the system you access it with. If you're on XP it says XP, if you're on Vista then it downloads a Vista copy.

If you click on "Other locales and versions" you can download all versions of IE8.

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That makes sense.

I installed IE8 on this XP machine at work this morning, and it caused no problems. Everything has been working normally. This machine has all updates including SP3 of course. It uses Outlook Express for the mail client, all links in mail open normally.

Shelly

priscilla


i-MAC newbie out of training

You shouldn't have to do anything to your Outlook Express password. If you have forgotten it, your ISP can provide it or you could download SIW "System Information (for) Windows". Run SIW and under the SOFTWARE listing click on Secrets. Voila, your password.

Jim.

priscilla


i-MAC newbie out of training

A rigamarole - "A long and complicated and confusing procedure", eh?

Jim.

QUOTE:
A rigamarole - "A long and complicated and confusing procedure", eh?

Jim.

priscilla


i-MAC newbie out of training

The human dictionary to the rescue. Yay! Always appreciated.

Neways....

Jim!!

I think IE8 might be for you. In case you don't already know, it allows a bunch of junk at the top in what is called a "Favorites Bar". Just like you like it!!

Check out my screen shots. I have it displayed using the largest icon settings.


A bunch of junk with titles:






A bunch of junk with just the icons - no titles:

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Attachment #1, (jpg file)
Attachment #2, (jpg file)

And another one you'll appreciate:

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Attachment #1, (jpg file)

How did you remove the (Google) search engine bar?

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Ah, that's much nicer.

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Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Internet
Explorer\InfoDelivery\Restrictions]
"NoSearchBox"=dword:00000001

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Notes:

HKCU is one line, no wrap.
Merge into the Windows Registry.  Restart IE.

Change NoSearchBox to all 0's to revert; 00000000

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Removing the search bar and putting the menu bar on top are the first things I do on new installs of IE since I first downloaded IE7.

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I know what it looks like. I've been using it in beta release whenever I run Windows 7 beta. It's faster than IE6 so, once I buy Windows 7 later this year, I will just have to get used to its layout.

I still miss the Refresh button being located in the Toolbar. The free toolbar Refresh button that works with Vista/IE7 doesn't work for me in Win7/IE8.

Until then, whenever I'm running XP, it will still be IE6.

By the way, it's easy to enlarge Radar images using IE7/8.

Jim.

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It's so easy - and even zoomed 400%, resolution and proportion of images is very good. On my monitor, it's excellent at 300%.

From IE8 beta Help:

For me, OE's is the only password that SIW displays. Go figure.

Jim.

Shelly

priscilla


i-MAC newbie out of training

Installed it for the rare occasions I use IE. But Firefox will always be my default browser.

Guns don't kill people. Husbands who come home early kill people.

For a production environment I would not in case it screws up something but for testing, sure. I still find it funny it took them 7 versions to finally have tabbed browsing. I wonder if 8 has better CSS support. I'll have to test in a VM.

I will stick with SeaMonkey.
Daylilydayzed
Daylilies are the Lord's smiles, new one every day.

Tabs are still slow to open on my systems. It's taken as long as 4 seconds to open a new tab with Google as the homepage.


I'm pissed.


This was a known issue since beta.

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Takes about 3 or 4 seconds on my old 1 gig PIII laptop as well. So it looks like a coding issue.
JP

saw this......


http://www.crn.com/software/215901381

priscilla


i-MAC newbie out of training

I Guess most of you have already seen this article,but here's a Link anyway. Ray in Florida.. IE8 Hacked

priscilla


i-MAC newbie out of training

Please let me know of any browser that has not been hacked.

Shelly

Last I read, Google chrome was winning those hacking contests as unhackable. Last I heard.

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I read alot about Chrome too. It was'nt tested on the same day as IE8,soo at that point it was not hacked,but I Must Agree With Shelly, It's only a matter of Time. If The hackers want to get in,They usually do. IE8 only took them 2 hours and They were Rewarded Handsomely. $$$$$$ Ray in Florida

I got around to installing IE8 on my Vista Ultimate machine tonight. So far all is behaving normally

Shelly

Big deal (on both articles), IMO.

You'll still be better off with IE8 over IE7 or IE6.

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Newegg.com's new image gallery layout sucks in the hugest way imaginable too !
And now they're using JavaScript to "turn" pages to boot ! SUCKS

Why? It should be (virtually) instantaneous.

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Newegg.com's new image gallery layout sucks in the hugest way imaginable too !
And now they're using JavaScript to "turn" pages to boot ! SUCKS

I've been doing a little Googling and may have found the culprit.

Spybot's Immunize feature.

When it's enabled, IE is slow to open and slow to open tabs. When I undo the immunize in Spybot, IE8 is back to fast.

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Seems to work - mines much snappier now immunisation is disabled.
Funnily enough Windows Mail was slower to open too since installing IE8 but now opens normally again.

Quite liking IE8. Been using Chrome since it came out but back onto IE for a bit now.

Glad it worked for you. I hope Grogan doesn't stop by with a I told you so!


I'm still testing it, but I think it even faster if the immunize or Spybot was never installed.

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re: IE 8 and Windows updates...anyone know if 8 is being presented on the general windows update site? I have not updated for 6-8 weeks now and so have no current info.

priscilla


i-MAC newbie out of training

It hasn't came through on my XP or Vista machines.


Word on the street is that it will come through automatic updates by the end of April.



http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/03/19/ie-8expected-windows-update-and-automatic-updates-schedule

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"IE8 RTW Bulletproofed Against .NET, DEP and ASLR Bypass Reveals Microsoft"
http://news.softpedia.com/news/IE8-RTW-Bulletproofed-Against-NET-DEP-and-ASLR-Bypass-107728.shtml


"The gold version of Internet Explorer 8 was bulletproofed against techniques designed to attack Internet Explorer 7 by leveraging inconsistencies in Windows Vista's memory protection mechanisms. Vista brought to the table a number of mitigations, additional security layers including Data Execution Prevention (DEP) and Address Space Layout Randomization (ASLR), designed to make it extremely hard for exploits to work against the operating system.
Still, because of the actual design and implementation, the extra mitigations could in fact be defeated, as security researchers Alexander Sotirov and Mark Dowd demonstrated at BlackHat Vegas, in 2009.

Sotirov and Dowd managed to circumvent DEP and ASLR via .NET framework DLL’s that were used for memory page allocation in relation to predictable locations within the iexplore.exe process. Jonathan Ness, from MSRC Engineering, explained that the bypass was no longer valid with the copy of Internet Explorer 8 released to web on March 19, 2009. ..."

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Which was why there was a critical update for .net available on the update site after the installation of IE8.

Shelly

"Microsoft Confirms Critical 0-Day IE8 Vulnerability"
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Confirms-Critical-0-Day-IE8-Vulnerability-107491.shtml


"Microsoft has confirmed officially the zero-day vulnerability impacting Internet Explorer 8, the latest iteration of its IE browser. The security flaw was demonstrated on the first day of the Pwn2Own hacking context of the CanSecWest 2009 in Vancouver the past week. A security researcher identified only as Nils managed to own a Sony Vaio running Windows 7 via a vulnerability in IE8. Terri Forslof, the manager of Security Response for TippingPoint, revealed that Microsoft had acknowledged to her the existence of the issue.

“The MSRC (Microsoft Security Response Center) (...) let me know that they had reproduced and validated IE8 vulnerability discovered by the mysterious Nils. Of course, we can't tell you anything more than that - stay tuned for more information once Microsoft releases an update for it!"

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And the count is 1 and 1.

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Is that supposed to mean anything? ANY browser or operating system can be compromised, and all are. The hacker in question did it in order to win the Sony laptop as a reward. That is how we learn of vulnerabilities that are not immediately apparent, and get them fixed.

Score meaningless. But you knew that.

Shelly

Wait a minute. I don't know if it matters, but the version of IE8 in Windows 7 isn't complete.


But I'm sure that the same vulnerability existed in the RTM version of IE8.

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